Insights into research activities of senior dental students in the Middle East: A multicenter preliminary study.

BACKGROUND: Despite the increasing recognition of the importance of research in undergraduate dental education, limited studies have explored the nature of undergraduate research activities in dental schools in the Middle East region. This study aimed to evaluate the research experience of final year dental students from three dental schools in the Middle East. METHODS: A descriptive, cross-sectional study was conducted among final-year dental students from three institutions, namely Jordan University of Science and Technology, University of Sharjah (UAE), and Oman Dental College. Participants were asked about the nature and scope of their research projects, the processes involved in the research, and their perceived benefits of engaging in research. RESULTS: A total of 369 respondents completed the questionnaire.  Cross-sectional studies represented the most common research type  (50.4%), with public health (29.3%) and dental education (27.9%) being the predominant domains. More than half of research proposals were developed via discussions with instructors (55.0%), and literature reviews primarily utilized PubMed (70.2%) and Google Scholar (68.5%). Regarding statistical analysis, it was usually carried out with instructor's assistance (45.2%) or using specialized software (45.5%). The students typically concluded their projects with a manuscript (58.4%), finding the discussion section most challenging to write (42.0%). The research activity was considered highly beneficial, especially in terms of teamwork and communication skills, as well as data interpretation skills, with 74.1% of students reporting a positive impact on their research perspectives. CONCLUSIONS: The research experience was generally positive among surveyed dental students. However, there is a need for more diversity in research domains, especially in qualitative studies, greater focus on guiding students in research activities s, especially in manuscript writing and publication. The outcomes of this study could provide valuable insights for dental schools seeking to improve their undergraduate research activities.

Salivary oxidative stress biomarkers in periodontitis-free smokers: a cross sectional study.

BACKGROUND: Salivary oxidative stress has been extensively studied with attempts to correlate changes in the oxidative stress markers with local and systemic factors, including smoking. The objective of this study was to evaluate the influence of two forms of smoking, cigarettes and waterpipe smoking (WPS), on selected oxidative stress biomarkers in saliva. METHODS: Three groups of participants were enrolled into the study, controls (never smokers), cigarette smokers and WPS. Participants were clinically free from periodontitis and systemic conditions known to affect the saliva constituents. Unstimulated whole saliva samples were collected according to a standard protocol and concentrations of 8-hydroxy-2'-deoxyguanosine (8-OHdG), myeloperoxidase (MPO), malondialdehyde (MDA), total antioxidant capacity (TAC), and cortisol. The one-way ANOVA test was used to compare the levels of each oxidative stress biomarker between the three study groups and the hierarchical linear regression analysis was used to test the levels of salivary cortisol for prediction of other oxidative stress biomarkers. Significance levels were set at 95% confidence intervals and probability values ≤0.05. RESULTS: 8-OHdG was highest in WPS group (mean±SE 11,030.35±1829.16 pg/mL) while MDA and cortisol levels were highest in the cigarette smokers group (mean±SE 3.33±0.52 µM and 3.99±0.48 ng/mL, respectively) and MPO was highest in the control group (mean±SE 7.760±1.55 ng/mL). WPS group showed the highest TAC (mean±SE 0.3±0.03 mM). However, none of the tested makers reached a statistically significant difference. CONCLUSIONS: Despite subtle changes in some biomarkers, the salivary oxidative stress does not appear to be significantly influenced by smoking habits in periodontitis-free smokers.

Oral processing behavior and dental caries; an insight into a new relationship.

INTRODUCTION: Previous evidence suggests an individual variation in the preferred oral processing behavior. Individuals can be classified as firm processing(FPL) or soft processing likers(SPL). FPL(crunchers and chewers) prefer using their teeth while SPL(smooshers and suckers) prefer using the tongue and the palate when processing different food items. Variation in the preferred oral processing behavior has been associated with differences in food texture preference and eating time. Time is one of the factors directly related to the development of dental caries(tooth decay). Oral retention and eating times are associated with greater caries experience. This study aims to explore if a relationship exists between the preferred oral processing behavior and the individual's caries experience. MATERIALS AND METHODS: This was a cross-sectional, dental center-based study conducted at Jordan University of Science and Technology. Five hundred participants consented to fill out the preferred oral processing behavior(POPB) questionnaire. Anthropometric measurements (including weight, height, and waist circumference) were recorded. A single trained and calibrated dentist registered each participant's caries experience and plaque levels using the DMFS index and plaque index of Silness and Loe. RESULTS: A total of 351(70.2%) and 149(29.8%) participants were typed as FPL and SPL, respectively. SPL demonstrated higher levels of dental caries experience compared to FPL. The mean DMFS score for SPL was 28.8(±25.43) while for FPL was 18.71(± 18.34). This difference remained significant after adjustment for confounders(P<0.001). SPL exhibited a significantly higher mean score for the "M" component(P <0.001) while no significant difference in the mean score of the "D"(P = 0.076) and "F"(P = 0.272) components was observed when compared to FPL. CONCLUSION: The current findings provide new insight into a possible relationship between the preferred oral processing behavior and an individual's caries experience. A relationship in which the preferred oral processing behavior can potentially affect and/or be affected by the dental caries experience.

The expression of salivary EGF, VEGF, endothelin, and transferrin in waterpipe and cigarette smokers.

The aim of this study was to evaluate the effects of two forms of tobacco smoking, cigarettes and water pipe smoking (WPS), on the expression of a panel of salivary proteins in healthy adults. Three groups of age and gender-matched participants were enrolled in the study: never-smokers, cigarette smokers and WPS (N = 55 per group). Expression of epidermal growth factor (EGF), vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), endothelin and transferrin in unstimulated whole saliva was estimated using enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays. Statistical analysis consisted of one-way ANOVA and Tukey's post hoc tests, in addition to bioinformatics analysis. VEGF expression was the least in WPS (51.1 ± 14.5 pg/ml) compared to both controls (150.1 ± 13.8 pg/ml) and cigarette smokers (93 ± 9.9 pg/ml), with a significant difference in WPS (p < 0.001) and cigarette smokers (p < 0.01) compared to controls. Furthermore, transferrin showed the weakest expression in the WPS group (1238 ± 261.4 pg/ml) compared to controls (2205.6 ± 298.6 pg/ml) (p = 0.05) and cigarette smokers (1805.4 ± 244 pg/ml). Neither EGF nor endothelin expression showed any statistical difference between the groups (p > 0.05). Gene-gene interaction network demonstrated that FLT1, TFRC, KDR, VEGFB and PGF genes had the highest potential for interaction with the studied proteins. Further functional annotations on the identified markers in the interaction network were performed to identify HIF-1 pathways among the most relevant pathways. In conclusion, smoking habits alter the expression of salivary VEGF and transferrin, which may correspond to early sub-clinical changes in the oral mucosa. The clinical relevance of these salivary changes requires further research.

Systemic Anti-Inflammatory Agents in the Prevention of Chemoradiation-Induced Mucositis: A Review of Randomised Controlled Trials.

Mucositis is a pathological condition characterised by inflammation and ulceration of the mucous membranes lining the alimentary canal, particularly in the mouth (oral mucositis) and the gastrointestinal tract. It is a common side effect of cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and radiotherapy, and it is sometimes responsible for treatment interruptions. Preventing mucositis throughout the alimentary tract is therefore crucial. However, current interventions mainly target either oral or gastrointestinal side effects. This review aimed to investigate the use of systemically administered anti-inflammatory agents to prevent mucositis in cancer patients undergoing cancer treatment. PubMed, Ovid, Scopus, Web of Science, WHO ICTRP and ClinicalTrials.gov were screened to identify eligible randomised controlled trials (RCTs). The published literature on anti-inflammatory agents provides mixed evidence regarding the degree of efficacy in preventing/reducing the severity of mucositis in most anticancer treatments; however, sample size continued to be a significant limitation, alongside others discussed. Our review yielded a list of several anti-inflammatory agents that exhibit potential mucositis-preventive effects in cancer patients undergoing cancer treatment, which can be used to inform clinical practice.

How good is ChatGPT at answering patients' questions related to early detection of oral (mouth) cancer?

OBJECTIVES: To examine the quality, reliability, readability, and usefulness of ChatGPT in promoting oral cancer early detection. STUDY DESIGN: About 108 patient-oriented questions about oral cancer early detection were compiled from expert panels, professional societies, and web-based tools. Questions were categorized into 4 topic domains and ChatGPT 3.5 was asked each question independently. ChatGPT answers were evaluated regarding quality, readability, actionability, and usefulness using. Two experienced reviewers independently assessed each response. RESULTS: Questions related to clinical appearance constituted 36.1% (n = 39) of the total questions. ChatGPT provided "very useful" responses to the majority of questions (75%; n = 81). The mean Global Quality Score was 4.24 ± 1.3 of 5. The mean reliability score was 23.17 ± 9.87 of 25. The mean understandability score was 76.6% ± 25.9% of 100, while the mean actionability score was 47.3% ± 18.9% of 100. The mean FKS reading ease score was 38.4% ± 29.9%, while the mean SMOG index readability score was 11.65 ± 8.4. No misleading information was identified among ChatGPT responses. CONCLUSION: ChatGPT is an attractive and potentially useful resource for informing patients about early detection of oral cancer. Nevertheless, concerns do exist about readability and actionability of the offered information.

Immune-mediated oral mucosal pathology: a comprehensive review and update for clinicians - part II.

The oral mucosa can be involved in a wide variety of mucocutaneous conditions that may present primarily in the mouth or affect other cutaneous or mucosal sites. Many of these conditions are immune mediated and typically present as inflammatory mucosal pathology. Patients experiencing such conditions usually seek medical evaluation and treatment due to the associated pain and discomfort, and occasionally taste disturbance or dysphagia and the overall deterioration in the oral health-related quality of life. These conditions share some common features and there could be some overlap in their clinical presentation, which can lead to delays in diagnosis and proper management of patients. Clinicians dealing with such disorders, including dermatologists, need to be aware of the oral manifestations of mucocutaneous conditions, their clinical features, underlying mechanisms, diagnostic approaches, and treatment options, as well as the recent advances in the research on these conditions. This review provides a comprehensive, evidence-based reference for clinicians, with updated insights into a group of immune mediated conditions known to cause oral mucosal pathology. Part one will cover oral lichen planus, erythema multiforme and systemic lupus erythematosus, while part two will cover recurrent aphthous stomatitis, pemphigus vulgaris and mucous membrane pemphigoid, in addition to the less common disorders linear IgA disease, dermatitis herpetiformis and epidermolysis bullosa.

Immune-mediated oral mucosal pathology: a comprehensive review and update for clinicians. Part I.

The oral mucosa can be involved in a wide variety of mucocutaneous conditions that may present primarily in the mouth or affect other cutaneous or mucosal sites. Many of these conditions are immune mediated and typically present as inflammatory mucosal pathology. Patients experiencing such conditions usually seek medical evaluation and treatment due to the associated pain and discomfort and occasionally taste disturbance or dysphagia and the overall deterioration in the oral health-related quality of life. These conditions share some common features and there could be some overlapping in their clinical presentation, which can lead to delays in diagnosis and proper management of patients. Clinicians dealing with such disorders, including dermatologists, need to be aware of the oral manifestations of mucocutaneous conditions, their clinical features, underlying mechanisms, diagnostic approaches, and treatment options, as well as the recent advances in the research on these conditions. This review provides a comprehensive, evidence-based reference for clinicians, with updated insights into a group of immune mediated conditions known to cause oral mucosal pathology. Part one will cover oral lichen planus, erythema multiforme and systemic lupus erythematosus, while part two will cover pemphigus vulgaris and mucous membrane pemphigoid, recurrent aphthous stomatitis, in addition to the less common disorders linear IgA disease, dermatitis herpetiformis and epidermolysis bullosa.

The Effects of Antimicrobial Mouthwashes on Systemic Disease: What Is the Evidence?

The potential association between antimicrobial mouthwash use and systemic health has gained attention in recent years with reports highlighting how some common systemic conditions are influenced by the use of different types of mouthwashes. In this context, links between mouthwash use and cardiovascular disease, diabetes mellitus, oral cancer, Alzheimer's disease, and preeclampsia have been proposed, albeit with limited levels of evidence. Chlorhexidine mouthwash in particular has been the most widely studied agent while available data on other types of over-the-counter mouthwashes are generally scarce. Furthermore, there is currently no evidence-based recommendations on the appropriate use of mouthwashes during pregnancy. This article will present the current evidence on the association between mouthwash use and the aforementioned conditions with emphasis on the mechanisms that may underlie such an association.

Predictors of Surgical Outcomes in Patients with Abducens Nerve Schwannoma: A Comprehensive Systematic Review and a Case Report.

BACKGROUND: Abducens nerve (AN) schwannomas are extremely rare tumors. Clinical characteristics and factors that influence postoperative outcomes are not well defined. OBJECTIVE: To characterize clinical features of AN schwannomas and predictors of surgical outcomes. METHODS: PRISMA-guided systematic review of the literature on AN schwannomas was performed. Subsequently, univariate and multivariate regression analyses were performed to identify the predictive value of variables that influence postoperative outcomes. RESULTS: A total of 42 studies with 55 patients were evaluated. The mean age at presentation was 43.9 ± 14.6 years. The most common presenting symptom was cranial nerve VI palsy (69.1%). Cavernous sinus (49.1%) and prepontine cistern (36.3%) were the most commonly involved locations. Complete recovery after surgery was seen in 36.3% at a median follow-up of 28.4 ± 25.8 months. Preoperative AN palsy (P < 0.001), suboccipital approach (P = 0.007), and subtotal resection of tumor (P = 0.044) were significant protective factors for postoperative complications. Prepontine location and postoperative complications were poor prognostic indicators of AN recovery (odds ratio [OR], 0.10, P = 0.030 and OR, 0.10, P = 0.028, respectively). Subtotal resection was significantly correlated with higher odds of AN recovery (OR, 6.06; P = 0.040). CONCLUSIONS: AN schwannomas are rare but serious tumors that can cause significant morbidity, with only approximately one third of patients showing complete recovery after surgery. The suboccipital approach was a protective factor for postoperative complications, especially when combined with subtotal resection. Knowledge of these factors along with tumor characteristics helps optimize surgical planning and preoperative counseling.

Mechanisms underlying sex bias in oral immune-mediated conditions, an insight.

The predilection for women in systemic autoimmune diseases is well established. However, this sex bias in oral autoimmune diseases has been classically reported from an epidemiological perspective without any elaborate attempts to unveil the underlying mechanisms. The unique nature of the oral environment is likely to impose a combination of systemic and local factors that ultimately result in the sex bias in autoimmune diseases of the oral cavity. Variations of immune responses, target organ vulnerability, endocrine and genetic factors, sex chromosomes and modes of parental inheritance are potential systemic factors, while the oral microbiome, oral tolerance, saliva, and oral epithelial stem cells may account for local contributing factors. This review will discuss the preponderance of women in oral immune-mediated diseases, the potential systemic and local mechanisms underlying this predominance and highlight the crucial need for further research in this area.

Differential Expression Profile of Salivary oncomiRNAs among Smokeless Tobacco Users.

OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to evaluate the expression of selected salivary oncomiRNAs among smokeless tobacco users and nonsmokers. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Twenty-five subjects with chronic smokeless tobacco habit (> 1 year) and 25 nonsmokers were selected for this study. MicroRNA was extracted from saliva samples using the miRNeasy Kit (Qiagen, Hilden, Germany). The forward primers used in the reactions include hsa-miR-21-5p, hsa-miR-146a-3p, hsa-miR-155-3p, and hsa-miR-199a-3p. Relative expression of miRNAs was calculated using the 2-ΔΔCt method. Fold change is calculated by raising 2 to the power of the negative ΔΔCT value. STATISTICAL ANALYSIS: Statistical analysis was carried out using GraphPad Prism 5 software. A p-value less than 0.05 was considered statistically significant. RESULTS: The four tested miRNAs were found overexpressed in saliva of subjects with smokeless tobacco habit when compared with saliva from nontobacco users. miR-21 expression was 3.74 ± 2.26 folds higher among subjects with smokeless tobacco habit compared to nontobacco users (p < 0.01). The expression for miR-146a (5.56 ± 8.3 folds; p < 0.05), miR-155 (8.06 ± 23.4 folds; p < 0.0001) and miR-199a (14.39 ± 30.3 folds; p < 0.05) was significantly higher among subjects with smokeless tobacco habit. CONCLUSION: Smokeless tobacco leads to salivary overexpression of the miRs 21, 146a, 155, and 199a. Monitoring the levels of these four oncomiRs may provide insight about the future development of oral squamous cell carcinoma, especially in patients with smokeless tobacco habits.

Prediction of Lymphovascular and Perineural Invasion of Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma by Combined Expression of p63 and Cyclin D1.

OBJECTIVES: The aim of this study was to determine the value of immune expression of p63 and cyclin D1 in the prediction of lymphovascular invasion (LVI) and perineural invasion (PNI) in oral squamous cell carcinoma (OSCC). MATERIALS AND METHODS: Clinical and histopathologic features of 65 subjects with histologically confirmed OSCC were collected. Tissue microarray blocks representing all subjects were prepared for the immunohistochemical quantification of the nuclear expression of p63 and cyclin D1 using immune ratio plugin of image J software. Image analysis was performed by two independent pathologists. Independent samples t-test, analysis of variance, and receiver operating characteristic curve tests were used for statistical analysis. The level of significance was set at p≤ 0.05. RESULTS: The optimum cutoff value for the prediction of LVI for p63 and cyclin D1 was found to be 100 and 93.2, respectively, while the optimum cutoff value for the prediction of PNI for p63 and cyclin D1 was found to be 95.9 and 94, respectively. p63 and cyclin D1 expression correlated with several clinicopathologic features of the studied population. p63 expression was a significant predictor of moderate/poorly differentiated OSCC compared with well-differentiated OSCC. A parallel combination of positive p63 and cyclin D1 increased the specificity of predicting LVI from 89.1% and 67.4% for either p63 or cyclin D1, respectively, to 93.5% with a positive predictive value of 92.5%. Similarly, the parallel combination of the two markers raised the specificity of predicting PNI from 70% and 77.5% for either p63 or cyclin D1, respectively, to 90% with a positive predictive value of 86.3%. CONCLUSION: Combined overexpression of nuclear markers p63 and cyclin D1 can be considered as a valuable independent predictor of LVI and PNI, and hence tumor progression, in OSCC.

Brain Meningiomas Manifesting as Intracranial Hemorrhage: Comprehensive Systematic Review and Report of the First Case of Hemorrhagic Meningiomatosis.

OBJECTIVE: To characterize the salient features of hemorrhagic manifestation of meningiomas and to report on the first case of hemorrhagic meningiomatosis. METHODS: A comprehensive systematic review of the English-language literature was performed using MEDLINE, PubMed, and Google Scholar databases to identify case reports and series of brain meningiomas manifesting as intracranial hemorrhage. RESULTS: A total of 65 patients were evaluated. Most patients were female (64.6%). The average age at presentation was 58.1 ± 14.3 years. The most common presenting symptom was focal neurologic deficits (n = 47; 71.2%). Identification of tumor was missed/not possible in 24.6% of patients. The most common reported comorbidity was hypertension. Most tumors were located in convexity (n = 36; 55.3%). Subdural hematoma (± other hemorrhages) was the most common type of intracranial hemorrhage (n = 46; 70.7%). Computed tomography hyperintensity (25.7%) and magnetic resonance imaging T2 hypointensity (22%) were the most prevalent radiologic findings. The predominant histopathology subtype was meningothelial (syncytial) (n = 24; 36.4%). The estimated mortality was 13.8%. Among those who survived, 39.9% had residual deficits at a median follow-up of 8.1 ± 5.8 months. CONCLUSIONS: Intracranial hemorrhage induced by meningiomas is associated with significant mortality and morbidity. Identifying unexpected meningioma in the setting of intracranial bleed can help optimize preoperative planning (e.g., surgical approach) and facilitate total resection of the underlying tumor. Therefore, clinicians should have a high index of suspicion with a low threshold for investigation of meningiomas in the setting of intracranial hemorrhage.

Management of mucous membrane pemphigoid: a literature review and update

Mucous membrane pemphigoid (MMP) is a rare group of heterogeneous chronic autoimmune diseases that predominantly manifest as blistering of the mucous membranes. MMP lesions often heal with scarring, which may result in impaired organ function and significant morbidity. The exact pathogenic mechanisms of MMP are still largely unknown while the diagnosis is based on a combination of clinical, histological and immuno-pathological findings. Several treatment modalities of MMP are available and are reported in the literature, however, such treatment options are principally guided by expert opinions and descriptive reports. Non-specific immunosuppression, especially corticosteroids, remains the mainstay of treatment, which often leads to severe adverse effects. Therefore, safer and more effective therapeutic modalities are required. This comprehensive literature review outlines the current knowledge and recent advances in the field of MMP management, with particular emphasis on the oral variant of MMP.

Cranioplasty for Skull Defects With Polypropylene Abdominal Wall Mesh.

OBJECTIVE: Cranioplasty is a well-established common surgery in the practice of neurosurgery and craniofacial surgery. In young patients, complete skull defect closure by bone splitting may be troublesome due to the difficulty to obtain enough bone area. In such cases, sometimes the authors need to use allografts, which may not be widely available in rural practice. In this study, the authors present the series of cranioplasty with polypropylene mesh, which is widely used in abdominal wall closure. PATIENTS AND METHODS: Nine patients with depressed compound skull fracture were treated by performing this technique. Selection criteria were: compound depressed skull fractures in which bones were fragmented in a way not able to be reconstructed with and leaving a skull defect, small-sized or relatively medium-sized skull defects, and skull defects not located on the sharp curvatures of the skull which needs firm bended meshes. All patients were male and their ages ranged between 8 months and 36 years.The skull bone defect was reconstructed with polypropylene abdominal wall mesh, which was sutured circumferentially with the galeal tissue. RESULTS: Skull defects were successfully treated in all patients. The follow-up period ranged from 4 to 13 months. One patient with a history of alcoholism and neglectance developed a wound infection after 3 weeks of surgery. This patient was treated successfully with intravenous antibiotics without the need to remove the mesh. There were no complications in the remaining 8 patients. CONCLUSIONS: Polypropylene mesh is a cheap and effective material for the reconstruction of small-sized or medium-sized skull defects. It can be a good alternative in rural practice and/or low economic communities, when other cranioplasty materials are not available.

Psychosocial profiles and their correlation with physical diagnosis in temporomandibular disorders, a preliminary report.

OBJECTIVE: To assess representative psychosocial features in a group of temporomandibular disorder (TMD) patients from Jordan using Axis II of the Diagnostic Criteria for TMD (DC/TMD) protocol. METHODS: Ninety-eight TMD patients were examined according to Axis I DC/TMD protocol in addition to assessment of their pain-related disability, psychological distress, and stress reactivity. RESULTS: Just under half of the patients (49%) had high intensity of characteristic pain (self-reported TMJ-related pain) and one-third (32%) had high levels of pain-related disability. Furthermore, significant proportions of patients expressed moderate-severe degrees of distress and stress reactivity (41% and 39%, respectively). Significant correlations were identified between the Graded Chronic Pain Scale (GCPS) and each of the pain-related TMD subgroups. CONCLUSION: TMD patients are susceptible to high levels of pain-related psychosocial impairment, and clinicians should be aware of the possible correlations between the physical TMD diagnosis and specific psychosocial features during treatment planning.

Interactive Crossword Puzzles as an Adjunct Tool in Teaching Undergraduate Dental Students.

Background: In the restorative dentistry module of the undergraduate dental program, dental students encounter many new terms and concepts in a short period of time. The provision of adequate learning support to reinforce key concepts can be challenging. Aim: The purpose of this study is to determine student perceptions of how effective interactive crossword puzzles are as adjunctive tools to enhance the learning of restorative dentistry. Methods: Students completed interactive crossword puzzles created by the authors, with a reward awarded to the first group of students who completed the puzzles successfully. The interactive crossword platform was programmed using the ReactJS framework and designed using Tailwind CSS. An evaluation of the student's perception of this educational method was conducted using textual feedback and Likert-scale questionnaires. Results: Students found the crossword puzzles engaging, meaningful, and successful as indicated by their favorable Likert scores and feedback. Written comments revealed student enthusiasm for and a desire to be exposed to more of these exercises. Conclusions: This work sheds light on the potential advantages of incorporating interactive crossword puzzles into the restorative dentistry course from a student's perspective. The crossword puzzles improved students' ability to review and reinforce concepts and terminology and proved to be meaningful and enjoyable. The web-based nature of the tool ensured good student responsiveness and engaged the entire class in an interactive, competitive setting. Application of the hint option, which offered a text of relevant reading material, helped students understand, retain more knowledge, and engage with course material more than they might have otherwise.