Life-threatening lactic acidosis occurring in adults with mitochondrial disorders.

Although relatively common in children, severe acute lactic acidosis is rare in adults with mitochondrial myopathies. We report here three cases, aged 27, 32 and 32 years, who developed life-threatening metabolic crisis with severe lactic acidosis, requiring hospitalisation in intensive care unit. Plasma lactates were elevated 10 to 15 fold normal values, necessitating extra-renal dialysis. By contrast CK levels were moderately increased (3 to 5N). No triggering factor was identified, but retrospectively all patients reported long-lasting mild muscle fatigability and weakness before their acute metabolic crisis. All of them recovered after prolonged intensive care but resting lactate levels remained elevated. Muscle biopsy showed ragged-red and COX-negative fibers in two patients and mild lipidosis in the third one. Heteroplasmic pathogenic point mutations were detected in MT-TL1 (m.3280G>A;m.3258C>T) and MT-TK (m.8363A>G). Life-threatening lactic acidosis may thus be a major inaugural clinical manifestation in adults with mitochondrial myopathies. Prolonged intensive care may lead to a dramatic and sustained improvement and is mandatory in such cases.

Myopathy with MTCYB mutation mimicking Multiple Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency.

We describe two patients with mitochondrial DNA mutations in the gene encoding cytochrome b (m.15579A>G, p.Tyr278Cys and m.15045G>A p.Arg100Gln), which presented as a pure myopathic form (exercise intolerance), with an onset in childhood. Diagnosis was delayed, because acylcarnitine profile showed an increase in medium and long-chain acylcarnitines, suggestive of multiple acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency, riboflavin transporter deficiency or FAD metabolism disorder. Implication of cytochrome b in fatty acid oxidation, and physiopathology of the mutations are discussed.

Prediction of long-term prognosis by heteroplasmy levels of the m.3243A>G mutation in patients with the mitochondrial encephalomyopathy, lactic acidosis and stroke-like episodes syndrome.

BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: Our aim was to determine the prognostic value of urine and blood heteroplasmy in patients with the m.3243A>G mutation. METHODS: Adults with the m.3243A>G mutation referred to our institution between January 2000 and May 2014 were retrospectively included. The relationship between their baseline clinical characteristics, their mutation load in urine and blood, and major adverse events (MAEs) during follow-up, defined as medical complications requiring a hospitalization or complicated by death, was studied. RESULTS: Of the 43 patients (age 45.6 ± 13.3 years) included in the study, 36 patients were symptomatic, including nine with evidence of focal brain involvement, and seven were asymptomatic. Over a 5.5 ± 4.0 year mean follow-up duration, 14 patients (33%) developed MAEs. Patients with MAEs had a higher mutation load than others in urine (60.1% ± 13.8% vs. 40.6% ± 26.2%, P = 0.01) and in blood (26.9% ± 18.4% vs. 16.0% ± 12.1%, P = 0.03). Optimal cutoff values for the prediction of MAEs were 45% for urine and 35% for blood. In multivariate analysis, mutation load in urine ≥45% [odds ratio 25.3; 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.1-567.8; P = 0.04], left ventricular hypertrophy (odds ratio 16.7; 95% CI 1.3- 222.5; P = 0.03) and seizures (odds ratio 48.3; 95% CI 2.5-933; P = 0.01) were associated with MAEs. CONCLUSIONS: Patients with the m.3243A>G mutation are at high risk of MAEs, which can be independently predicted by mutation load in urine ≥45%, a personal history of seizures, and left ventricular hypertrophy.

A common pattern of brain MRI imaging in mitochondrial diseases with complex I deficiency.

OBJECTIVE: To identify a consistent pattern of brain MRI imaging in primary complex I deficiency. Complex I deficiency, a major cause of respiratory chain dysfunction, accounts for various clinical presentations, including Leigh syndrome. Human complex I comprises seven core subunits encoded by mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and 38 core subunits encoded by nuclear DNA (nDNA). Moreover, its assembly requires six known and many unknown assembly factors. To date, no correlation between genotypes and brain MRI phenotypes has been found in complex I deficiencies. DESIGN AND SUBJECTS: The brain MRIs of 30 patients carrying known mutation(s) in genes involved in complex I were retrospectively collected and compared with the brain MRIs of 11 patients carrying known mutations in genes involved in the pyruvate dehydrogenase (PDH) complex as well as 10 patients with MT-TL1 mutations. RESULTS: All complex I deficient patients showed bilateral brainstem lesions (30/30) and 77% (23/30) showed anomalies of the putamen. Supratentorial stroke-like lesions were only observed in complex I deficient patients carrying mtDNA mutations (8/19) and necrotising leucoencephalopathy in patients with nDNA mutations (4/5). Conversely, the isolated stroke-like images observed in patients with MT-TL1 mutations, or the corpus callosum malformations observed in PDH deficient patients, were never observed in complex I deficient patients. CONCLUSION: A common pattern of brain MRI imaging was identified with abnormal signal intensities in brainstem and subtentorial nuclei with lactate peak as a clue of complex I deficiency. Combining clinico-biochemical data with brain imaging may therefore help orient genetic studies in complex I deficiency.

TWINKLE gene mutation: report of a French family with an autosomal dominant progressive external ophthalmoplegia and literature review.

BACKGROUND: Multiple mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) deletions usually have a mendelian inheritance secondary to mutation in nuclear genes. One of these is the Twinkle gene whose mutation is responsible for autosomal dominant progressive external ophthalmoplegia (PEO). The number of reported cases with mainly myopathic symptoms and possible nervous system involvement related to Twinkle gene mutation is limited. We present a new French family of whom two members displayed myopathy and neuropathy associated with PEO, and we perform a clinical review in light of other observations reported in the literature. METHODS: The proband, one son and the daughter have been investigated. Southern blot analysis and long-range PCR assay have been performed from muscle biopsy specimens. Coding exons and flanking intron regions of polymerase gamma (POLG) and DNA helicase (Twinkle) genes were sequenced. RESULTS: Multiple mitochondrial DNA deletions have been found and sequencing of the Twinkle gene showed the change p.R374Q. CONCLUSION: Two other families from the literature also had the R374Q mutation. Symptoms reported in association with this mutation were myopathy, peripheral neuropathy, dysarthria and/or dysphagia, respiratory insufficiency and parkinsonism. Respiratory insufficiency caused by chest wall weakness was reported in other families with different Twinkle gene mutations, and one might provide exercise intolerance, dysarthria and/or dysphagia as symptoms in favor of the diagnosis. Occurrence of impressive emaciation was a peculiarity in our family.

Collated mutations in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) depletion syndrome (excluding the mitochondrial gamma polymerase, POLG1).

These tables list both published and a number of unpublished mutations in genes associated with early onset defects in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) maintenance including C10orf2, SUCLG1, SUCLA2, TYMP, RRM2B, MPV17, DGUOK and TK2. The list should not be taken as evidence that any particular mutation is pathogenic. We have included genes known to cause mtDNA depletion, excluding POLG1, because of the existing database (http://tools.niehs.nih.gov/polg/). We have also excluded mutations in C10orf2 associated with dominant adult onset disorders.

[Multiple acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency (MADD): a curable cause of genetic muscular lipidosis]. / Déficit multiple en acyl-CoA déshydrogénases : une cause traitable de lipidose musculaire d'origine génétique.

INTRODUCTION: Multiple acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency (MADD) is a rare genetic disease involving fatty acid oxidation. It is due to the deficiency of one of the two electron transporters: electron transfer flavoprotein (ETF) or electron transfer flavoprotein ubiquinone oxydoreductase (ETF-QO). Symptoms begin more often in childhood or in young adulthood with a multisystemic disease with encephalopathy or muscular weakness. CASE REPORTS: We report here two adult cases with ETF-QO deficiency, confirmed by mutation analysis (ETFDH gene), revealed by a muscular weakness associated with muscle lipidosis. One of our patients presented an acute encephalopathy with vomiting ten years before the onset of muscular symptoms. The second patient exhibited a slowly progressive pelvic girdle muscle weakness. Diagnosis was established by characteristic abnormalities of acylcarnitine profile by tandem mass spectrometry. For both patients, a dramatic clinical improvement was observed under treatment with riboflavine and L-carnitine. CONCLUSION: Since it is a treatable disorder, this diagnosis must be considered by performing an acylcarnitine profile in all patients presenting with an unexplained muscular weakness.

[Clinical variability and diagnosis steps in childhood mitochondrial disease]. / Variabilité clinique et conduite diagnostique des cytopathies mitochondriales : à propos d'une série de 18 cas pédiatriques.

OBJECTIVES: Mitochondrial respiratory chain deficiencies are known for their high clinical variability. Difficult to diagnose, the prevalence of these diseases is probably underestimated. METHODS: We report 18 children diagnosed with respiratory chain deficiency at the Tours University Hospital over the past 10 years. RESULTS: Three clinical profiles can be distinguished depending on the age at onset of the first symptoms: the neonatal period (4 cases), between 1 month and 2 years of age (10 cases), and after 10 years (4 cases). However, no clinical feature appears specific of any age group. In contrast, respiratory chain analysis on liver biopsy was very informative for all our patients at any age and with any clinical presentation, even with predominant neurological symptoms. CONCLUSIONS: These biochemical analyses support the diagnosis of mitochondrial disorders in view of molecular analysis, which nevertheless frequently remains inconclusive. These investigations should benefit from the new molecular screening technologies based on DNA chips that can identify the genomic mutations responsible for these severe and relatively frequent diseases.

Anderson's disease (chylomicron retention disease): a new mutation in the SARA2 gene associated with muscular and cardiac abnormalities.

Anderson's disease (AD) or chylomicron retention disease (CMRD) is a rare hereditary lipid malabsorption syndrome linked to SARA2 gene mutations. We report in this study a novel mutation in two sisters for which the Sar1b protein is predicted to be truncated by 32 amino acids at its carboxyl-terminus. Because the SARA2 gene is also expressed in the muscle, heart, liver and placenta, extraintestinal clinical manifestations may exist. For the first time, we describe in this study in the two sisters muscular as well as cardiac abnormalities that could be related to the reported expression of SARA2 in these tissues. We also evaluated six other patients for potential manifestations of the SARA2 mutation. The creatine phosphokinase levels were increased in all patients [1.5-9.4 x normal (N)] and transaminases were moderately elevated in five of the eight patients (1.2-2.6 x N), probably related to muscle disease rather than to liver dysfunction. A decreased ejection fraction occurred in one patient (40%, N: 60%). The muscle, liver and placental tissues that were examined had no specific abnormalities and, in particular, no lipid accumulation. These results suggest that myolysis and other extraintestinal abnormalities can occur in AD/CMRD and that the clinical evaluation of patients should reflect this.

Syzygium jambolanum treatment improves survival in lethal sepsis induced in mice.

BACKGROUND: The leaves and the fruits from Syzygium jambolanum DC.(Myrtaceae), a plant known in Brazil as sweet olive or 'jambolão', have been used by native people to treat infectious diseases, diabetes, and stomachache. Since the bactericidal activity of S. jambolanum has been confirmed in vitro, the aim of this work was to evaluate the effect of the prophylactic treatment with S. jambolanum on the in vivo polymicrobial infection induced by cecal ligation and puncture (CLP) in mice. METHODS: C57Bl/6 mice were treated by the subcutaneous route with a hydroalcoholic extract from fresh leaves of S. jambolanum (HCE). After 6 h, a bacterial infection was induced in the peritoneum using the lethal CLP model. The mice were killed 12 h after the CLP induction to evaluate the cellular influx and local and systemic inflammatory mediators' production. Some animals were maintained alive to evaluate the survival rate. RESULTS: The prophylactic HCE treatment increased the mice survival, the neutrophil migration to infectious site, the spreading ability and the hydrogen peroxide release, but decreased the serum TNF and nitrite. Despite the increased migration and activation of peritoneal cells the HCE treatment did not decrease the number of CFU. The HCE treatment induced a significant decrease on the bone marrow cells number but did not alter the cell number of the spleen and lymph node. CONCLUSION: We conclude that the treatment with S. jambolanum has a potent prophylactic anti-septic effect that is not associated to a direct microbicidal effect but it is associated to a recruitment of activated neutrophils to the infectious site and to a diminished systemic inflammatory response.

Anti-thrombotic effect of chronic oral treatment with Orbignya phalerata Mart.

Babassu is the popular name of Orbignya phalerata Mart. (Arecaceae). The mesocarp flour obtained from their fruits has been used in Brazil as medicine in the treatment of pains, constipation, obesity, leukemia, rheumatism, ulcerations, tumors, inflammations and venous diseases. The effect of the chronic oral treatment with aqueous extract of babassu mesocarp (500mg/kgday) on the number of platelets, the prothrombin time (PT), the activated partial thromboplastin time (aPTT), the nitric oxide (NO) production and the carrageenin-induced thrombosis was evaluated, using C57Bl/6 mice. The chronic oral treatment with babassu mesocarp induced an anti-thrombotic effect. There was a 88.9% reduction in the necrosis of the tail. This effect seems to be related to an increase in the ability of the macrophage to produce NO and to a slow coagulation process associated to an increase of 12.0 and 13.9% in PT and aPTT, respectively. However, the anti-thrombotic effect seems to be not related to alterations in the number of platelets. It is possible to conclude that the oral treatment with babassu mesocarp has a significant anti-thrombotic effect, which could justify the popular use of babassu mesocarp in the treatment of venous diseases. Meanwhile, this study suggests a potential use of babassu mesocarp as a prophylactic agent to avoid thrombosis events.

Kearns Sayre syndrome: an unusual form of mitochondrial diabetes.

Kearns Sayre syndrome (KSS) is a mitochondrial disorder characterized by the emergence before age 20 of progressive external ophthalmoplegia, pigmentary retinopathy, together with other heterogeneous clinical manifestations, including cardiac conduction defects, muscle abnormalities and endocrinopathies. KSS is associated with large heteroplasmic deletions in mitochondrial DNA. We report the case of a 43-year-old woman, with diabetes mellitus as a first manifestation at age 19. Later, she exhibited bilateral ptosis and external ophthalmoplegia with progressive worsening. DNA analysis identified a large mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) deletion, which confirmed the diagnosis of KSS. By reporting this case with diabetes mellitus as first manifestation, we aim at emphasizing problems of diagnosis in these subtypes of mitochondrial diabetes.

[Misdiagnosis of mitochondrial myopathies: a study of 12 thymectomized patients]. / Errance diagnostique dans les myopathies mitochondriales: étude de 12 patients thymectomisés.

INTRODUCTION: Myasthenia gravis and mitochondrial myopathies have common symptoms (fatigability, ophthalmoplegia) that could lead to diagnosis confusion. METHODS: We systematically reviewed medical history and ancillary investigations regarding 12 patients (7F/5M, mean age 47+/-14 years) having a mitochondrial myopathy but who were previously misdiagnosed as autoimmune myasthenia gravis and in whom a thymectomy was performed. RESULTS: Ocular palsy, ptosis and bulbar palsy were present in all patients. Limb fatigability was present in 9 cases. Symptoms were fluctuant but without remission. The misdiagnosis of myasthenia was based on the following arguments: 1) decremental EMG response (2 cases); 2) positive injectable anticholinesterase drugs test (3 cases); 3) partial response to oral anticholinesterase medications (2 cases); 4) AChR antibodies titer of 0.6 nM considered as positive (1 case). A multisystemic involvement was present in 5 patients: peripheral neuropathy (2 cases), deafness (2 cases), cardiopathy (3 cases), cerebellar involvement (2 cases) and myoclonia (1 case). The diagnosis of mitochondrial myopathy (at a mean age of 38+/-12 years) has been certified on the results of muscle biopsy showing mitochondrial proliferation (12 cases) and deleted mitochondrial DNA (8 cases). CONCLUSIONS: In a patient presenting with oculomotor symptoms and muscle fatigability, progressive course and multisystemic involvement are major arguments for a mitochondrial myopathy. In the absence of relevant criteria arguing for Myasthenia Gravis (significant variability of muscle weakness, positive titer of anti-AChR or anti-MuSK antibodies, decremental EMG response), a muscle biopsy is required before indication of thymectomy to exclude a mitochondrial disease.

Regulation of glucose transporters in cultured rat adipocytes: synergistic effect of insulin and dexamethasone on GLUT4 gene expression through promoter activation.

A triggering effect of insulin on GLUT4 expression in adipocytes is consistently observed in vivo, whereas GLUT1 is roughly unaffected. However, in cultured rat adipocytes, insulin increases GLUT1 but fails to increase GLUT4, suggesting that additional factors are involved in vivo. This prompted us to evaluate the potential role of glucocorticoids as coregulators with insulin of glucose transporter expression using 3T3-F442A adipose cells and primary cultured rat adipocytes. In both systems, insulin increased and dexamethasone decreased GLUT1 messenger RNA (mRNA) and protein, an effect inhibited by the glucocorticoid antagonist RU 38486. When the two hormones were added together, the effect of dexamethasone was dominant in 3T3-F442A cells, but was totally antagonized in rat adipocytes. Moreover, in rat adipocytes, the GLUT1 gene transcription rate (run-on) was identical in the absence or presence of the two hormones. With regard to GLUT4 expression, neither insulin nor dexamethasone alone had any significant effect after 2 days of treatment. In contrast, the combined hormones markedly increased GLUT4 mRNA (+550% in rat adipocytes; +130% in 3T3-F442A cells) and protein (+164% in rat adipocytes; +79% in 3T3-F442A cells) with a 24- to 48-h delay after mRNA induction. Studies of the molecular mechanism(s) showed that exposure of rat adipocytes to dexamethasone plus insulin did not affect GLUT4 mRNA stability, but increased the GLUT4 gene transcription rate 3-fold. Transient transfections of rat adipocytes with the 5'-flanking 2.2-kilobase sequence of the rat GLUT4 gene fused to luciferase demonstrated that promoter activity was unchanged by insulin, increased 50% by dexamethasone, and increased 3-fold in the presence of both. These data show that insulin elicits an increase in GLUT4 gene expression provided glucocorticoids are present. Our results indicate that the synergism between insulin and glucocorticoids on GLUT4 gene transcription is mediated through GLUT4 promoter activation.

Elevated levels of interleukin 6 are reduced in serum and subcutaneous adipose tissue of obese women after weight loss.

The aim of this study was to investigate the potential role of adipose cytokines in the obesity-associated insulin resistance. To that end, we compared: 1) serum concentrations of interleukin 6 (IL-6), tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFalpha), and leptin in eight healthy lean control females and in android obese female without (n = 14) and with (n = 7) type 2 diabetes; and 2) the levels of these cytokines both in serum and in sc adipose tissue in the 14 obese nondiabetic women before and after 3 weeks of a very low-calorie diet (VLCD). As compared with lean controls, obese nondiabetic and diabetic patients were more insulin resistant and presented increased values for leptin, IL-6, TNFalpha, and C-reactive protein. In the whole group, IL-6 values were more closely related to the parameters evaluating insulin resistance than leptin or TNFalpha values. VLCD resulted in weight loss and decreased body fat mass (approximately 3 kg). Insulin sensitivity was improved with no significant change in both serum and adipose tissue TNFalpha levels. In contrast, VLCD induced significant decreases in IL-6 and leptin levels in both adipose tissue and serum. These results suggest that, as for leptin, circulating IL-6 concentrations reflect, at least in part, adipose tissue production. The reduced production and serum concentrations after weight loss could play a role in the improved sensitivity to insulin observed in these patients.

Functional characterization of novel mutations in the human cytochrome b gene.

The great variability of the human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequence induces many difficulties in the search for its deleterious mutations. We illustrate these pitfalls by the analysis of the cytochrome b gene of 21 patients affected with a mitochondrial disease. Eighteen different sequence variations were found, five of which were new mutations. Extensive analysis of the cytochrome b gene of 146 controls found 20 supplementary mutations, thus further demonstrating the high variability of the cytochrome b sequence. We fully evaluated the functional relevance of 36 of these 38 mutations using indirect criteria such as the nature of the mutation, its frequency in controls, or the phylogenetic conservation of the mutated amino acid. When appropriate, the mtDNA haplotype, the heteroplasmic state of the mutation, its tissue distribution or its familial transmission were also assessed. The molecular consequences of the mutations, which appeared possibly deleterious in that first step of evaluation, were evaluated on the complex III enzymological properties and protein composition using specific antibodies that we have generated against four of its subunits. Two original deleterious mutations were found in the group of seven patients with overt complex III defect. Both mutations (G15150A (W135X) and T15197C (S151P)) were heteroplasmic and restricted to muscle. They had significant consequences on the complex III structure. In contrast, only two homoplasmic missense mutations with dubious clinical relevance were found in the patients without overt complex III defect.

Atypical MELAS syndrome associated with a new mitochondrial tRNA glutamine point mutation.

The authors studied a 47-year-old patient who presented with an association of deafness, acute cerebral stroke-like episode, leukoencephalopathy, and extensive basal ganglia calcifications. Late onset and neuroradiologic findings were atypical for MELAS syndrome (Mitochondrial Myopathy, Encephalopathy, Lactic Acidosis, and Strokelike episodes). A heteroplasmic G to A transition at nucleotide 4332 in the tRNA glutamine gene was identified in the patient's muscle mitochondrial DNA. The pathogenicity of the mutation was shown in single muscle fibers by the correlation between high mutation load and cytochrome c oxidase defect.

Effect of prior exposure to Chlamydia pneumoniae, Helicobacter pylori, or cytomegalovirus on the degree of inflammation and one-year prognosis of patients with unstable angina pectoris or non-Q-wave acute myocardial infarction.

Inflammation and chronic infections may be important features in the pathogenesis of acute coronary syndromes. We describe 6 systemic markers of inflammation in patients with unstable angina or non-Q-wave myocardial infarction and the relations between these markers, seropositivity to chronic infections, and prognosis. C-reactive protein (CRP), serum amyloid A protein (SAA), fibrinogen, interleukin-6 (IL-6), neopterin, procalcitonin, and serum antibody levels to Chlamydia pneumoniae, Helicobacter pylori, and cytomegalovirus were measured on admission and 48 hours later. One-year clinical follow-up was performed. Plasma levels of acute phase reactants were all elevated on admission and increased further at 48 hours: CRP from 10.1 +/- 2.1 mg/L at baseline to 26.6 +/- 5.1 mg/L at 48 hours (p <0.001); SAA from 27.3 +/- 8.5 to 93.1 +/- 23.2 mg/dl (p <0.005); fibrinogen from 3.2 +/- 0.1 to 3.8 +/- 0.1 g/L (p <0.0001); whereas initial high levels of IL-6 tended also to increase from 9.8 +/- 2 to 15.3 +/- 3.1 pg/ml (p = NS). In contrast, neopterin and procalcitonin remained unchanged. We found no association between levels of each inflammatory marker and the serologic status. Furthermore, levels of inflammatory proteins in patients seronegative to all 3 agents were comparable to those of patients seropositive to 2 or 3 infectious agents. The composite end points of death, myocardial infarction, recurrent angina, or revascularization at 1-year follow-up did not differ according to the serologic status. Thus, in patients with acute coronary syndromes, the acute phase proteins increased over the first 2 days of hospitalization. This initial inflammatory reaction as well as the 1-year clinical outcome did not differ according to the initial serologic status of Chlamydia pneumoniae, Helicobacter pylori, or cytomegalovirus.

Interpretation of circulating C-reactive protein levels in adults: body mass index and gender are a must.

OBJECTIVE: The recently demonstrated association between C-reactive protein (CRP) level and body mass index (BMI) raised the question of the link between CRP and the degree of obesity. In the present study, we measured CRP in a healthy population with a wide range of BMI in order to appreciate the influence of overweight in the interpretation of CRP results in clinical use. METHOD: Blood donors, aged from 19 to 65 years, were included in the study. According to BMI, subjects were classified into 3 groups: A (BMI<25 kg/m(2), n=611); B (25-30, n=147); C (> 30, n=34). RESULTS: CRP values were different among women and men. CRP progressively increased with BMI in women. These results clearly showed that average level of CRP was quite different according to BMI and gender of the subjects and generated different normal ranges of CRP expressed in mg/L (median, 75(th) percentile): Group A: women: 0.44, 0.93; men: 0.40, 0.79, Group B: women: 1.28, 1.84; men: 0.84, 2.17, Group C: women: 3.61, 7.21; men: 1.16, 3.08. CONCLUSION: Our results suggest that for an inflammatory disease diagnosis, a CRP concentration of 5 mg/L is normal for obese women but is five times the 75(th) percentile for normal people.