Comparative study of fractional flow reserve and diastolic pressure ratio using a guidewire with a sensor for measuring intravascular pressure.

PURPOSE: This study aimed to evaluate the correlation and diagnostic agreement between diastolic pressure ratio (dPR) and fractional flow reserve (FFR) in a Japanese real-world setting. DESIGN: Prospective multicenter observational study. METHODS: This study included 100 patients with intermediate coronary artery stenosis at 4 Japanese hospitals. For these lesions, FFR and dPR were measured using a guidewire with a sensor and a monitor to measure intravascular pressure. The correlation and diagnostic agreement between FFR and dPR were assessed. When both FFR and dPR were negative or positive, the results were considered to be concordant. When one was positive and the other was negative, the result was regarded as discordant (positive discordance, FFR > 0.80 and dPR ≤ 0.89; negative discordance, FFR ≤ 0.80 and dPR > 0.89). RESULTS: Overall, the FFR and dPR were well-correlated (R = 0.841). FFR and dPR were concordant in 89% of cases (concordant normal, 43%; concordant abnormal, 46%) and discordant in 11% (positive discordance, 7%; negative discordance, 4%). No significant difference was observed in the rate of concordant results between patients with and without diabetes mellitus. The diagnostic concordance rate was significantly different among the 3 coronary arteries (right coronary artery, 93.3%; left anterior descending artery, 93.2%; and left circumflex artery, 58.3%; P = .001). Additionally, the rate of concordant results tended to be higher when using intravenous administration of adenosine than when using intracoronary bolus injection of nicorandil (adenosine, 95.1%; nicorandil, 84.7%; P = .103). CONCLUSION: We found that dPR was highly correlated with FFR, and diagnostic discordance was observed in 11% of the lesions. Several factors, including lesion location and medication for hyperemia, may cause the diagnostic discordance between dPR and FFR.

Impact of Skeletal Muscle Mass on Long-Term Adverse Cardiovascular Outcomes in Patients With Chronic Kidney Disease.

Sarcopenia, defined as skeletal muscle loss and dysfunction, is attracting considerable attention as a novel risk factor for cardiovascular events. Although the loss of skeletal muscle is common in chronic kidney disease (CKD) patients, the relation between sarcopenia and cardiovascular events in CKD patients is not well defined. Therefore, we aimed to investigate the relation between skeletal muscle mass and major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE) in CKD patients. We enrolled 266 asymptomatic CKD patients (median estimated glomerular filtration rate: 36.7 ml/min/1.73 m2). To evaluate skeletal muscle mass, we used the psoas muscle mass index (PMI) calculated from noncontrast computed tomography. The patients were divided into 2 groups according to the cut-off value of PMI for MACE. There were significant differences in age and body mass index between the low and high PMI groups (median age: 73.5 vs 69.0 years, p = 0.002; median body mass index: 22.6 vs 24.2 kg/m2, p <0.001, respectively). During the follow-up period (median: 3.2 years), patients with low PMI had significantly higher risk of MACE than those with high PMI (31.7% and 11.2%, log-rank test, p <0.001). The Cox proportional hazard model showed that low PMI is an independent predictor of MACE in CKD patients (hazard ratio 3.98, 95% confidence interval 1.65 to 9.63, p = 0.0022). In conclusion, low skeletal muscle mass is an independent predictor of MACE in CKD patients. The assessment of skeletal muscle mass may be a valuable screening tool for predicting MACE in clinical practice.

Correlations between geriatric nutritional risk index and peripheral artery disease in elderly coronary artery disease patients.

AIM: Malnutrition is associated with the development of atherosclerosis and an increased risk of cardiovascular mortality in elderly patients. The present study aimed to investigate the association between the Geriatric Nutritional Risk Index (GNRI), a simple nutritional assessment tool, and the prevalence of peripheral artery disease (PAD) in elderly coronary artery disease patients. METHODS: We evaluated 228 elderly coronary artery disease patients (mean age 74.0 ± 5.7 years). Ankle-brachial index (ABI) measurements were routinely carried out to investigate the prevalence of lower extremity PAD. Patients showing ABI <0.9 were defined as having PAD. RESULTS: Based on our findings, 20.6% of the study patients had PAD. The median GNRI values were significantly lower in patients with PAD than those in patients without PAD (93.8 vs 100.0, P < 0.001). Even after multivariate adjustment, GNRI values were independently associated with PAD (odds ratio 0.94; 95% confidence interval 0.89-0.99; P = 0.024). Furthermore, patients with low GNRI and high C-reactive protein levels had a 5.5-fold higher risk of having PAD than those with high GNRI and low C-reactive protein levels. CONCLUSIONS: GNRI values showed a strong relationship with PAD in elderly coronary artery disease patients. These data reinforce the utility of GNRI as a screening tool in clinical practice. Geriatr Gerontol Int 2017; 17: 1057-1062.

Predictive Value of Aortic Valve Calcification for Periprocedural Myocardial Injury in Patients Undergoing Percutaneous Coronary Intervention.

AIMS: Previous studies have shown that aortic valve calcification (AVC) was associated with cardiovascular events and mortality. On the other hand, periprocedural myocardial injury (PMI) in percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) is a well-known predictor of subsequent mortality and poor clinical outcomes. The purpose of the study was to assess the hypothesis that the presence of AVC could predict PMI in PCI. METHODS: This study included 370 patients treated with PCI for stable angina pectoris. AVC was defined as bright echoes ＞1 mm on one or more cusps of the aortic valve on ultrasound cardiography (UCG). PMI was defined as an increase in high-sensitivity troponin T level of ＞5 times the upper normal limit (＞0.070 ng/ml) at 24 hours after PCI. RESULTS: AVC was detected in 45.9% of the patients (n=170). The incidence of PMI was significantly higher in the patients with AVC than in those without AVC (43.5% vs 21.0%, p＜0.001). The presence of AVC independently predicted PMI after adjusting for other significant variables (odds ratio 2.26, 95% confidence interval 1.37-3.74, p=0.002). Other predictors were male sex, age, estimated glomerular filtration rate, and total stent length. Furthermore to predict PMI, adding AVC to the established risk factors significantly improved the area under the receiver operating characteristic curves, from 0.68 to 0.72, of the PMI prediction model (p=0.025). CONCLUSION: The presence of AVC detected in UCG could predict the incidence of PMI.

Impact of Paradoxical Decrease in High-density Lipoprotein Cholesterol Levels After Statin Therapy on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with Stable Angina Pectoris.

PURPOSE: Statin therapy usually increases HDL-C levels. However, a paradoxical decrease in HDL-C levels after statin therapy is often seen in clinical settings. The relationship between a paradoxical decrease in HDL-C levels after statin therapy and adverse cardiovascular events in patients with stable angina pectoris (SAP) is not well understood. The purpose of this study was to analyze the relationship between paradoxical HDL-C decreases after statin therapy and major adverse cardiovascular events (MACEs) in patients undergoing percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) for SAP. METHODS: Between January 2006 and March 2015, 867 patients underwent PCI for SAP. Of them, we enrolled 209 patients who were newly started on statin therapy before PCI. We excluded patients who had started statin therapy earlier than 6 months before PCI, patients who had not started statin therapy after PCI, and patients who were diagnosed with acute coronary syndrome. They were divided into 2 groups according to the change in their HDL-C levels between baseline and 6 to 9 months after the index PCI: decreased HDL group after statin treatment (80 patients) and increased HDL group (129 patients). The primary end points were MACEs defined as a composite of all-cause death, nonfatal acute myocardial infarction, and target vessel revascularization (TVR). FINDINGS: Using Kaplan-Meier analysis, the 7-year event rate for composite MACEs in the decreased HDL group was found to be higher than that for the increased HDL group (38% versus 24%, log-rank P = 0.02). TVR occurred more frequently in the decreased HDL group than in the increased HDL group (32% versus 12%, log-rank P = 0.01). With the use of multivariate analysis, changes in HDL-C levels after statin therapy indicated a significant inverse association with the increased risk of MACEs, (hazard ratio [HR] = 0.94; 95% CI, 0.92-0.97; P < 0.01). The incidence of MACEs was more strongly associated with ΔHDL than with ΔLDL. Moreover, BMS usage also independently predicted MACEs (HR = 2.18; 95% CI, 1.14-4.17; P < 0.01). IMPLICATIONS: A paradoxical decrease in HDL-C levels after statin therapy might be a risk factor for MACEs, especially TVR, in patients with SAP.

Impact of adipose tissue composition on cardiovascular risk assessment in patients with stable coronary artery disease.

BACKGROUND AND AIMS: Visceral adipose tissue (VAT), unlike subcutaneous adipose tissue (SAT), is highly correlated with cardiovascular risk factors. This study aimed to evaluate the predictive value of adipose tissue composition, as measured by computed tomography, for cardiovascular events in patients with stable coronary artery disease. METHODS: 357 consecutive patients who underwent 64-slice computed tomography and elective percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) were recruited. The ratio of visceral to subcutaneous adipose tissue (VAT/SAT) was calculated. Patients were divided into three groups in accordance with VAT/SAT (low VAT/SAT, <0.55 [<25th percentile]; moderate VAT/SAT, 0.55-1.03 [25th-75th percentile]; high VAT/SAT, ≥1.03 [≥75th percentile]). The investigated risk factors were hypertension, hyperglycaemia, and dyslipidaemia. We analysed the incidence of major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE), defined as the composite of cardiac death, myocardial infarction, and any revascularization. RESULTS: The rate of patients with two or more concomitant risk factors was significantly higher in the high VAT/SAT group (p = 0.006). During 1480 person-years, 109 events were documented. There was a significant association between the incidence of MACE and VAT/SAT, with the worst event-free survival rate in the high VAT/SAT group (log-rank, p = 0.01). In Cox analysis, the hazard ratio of high VAT/SAT for MACE was 2.72 (95% confidence interval 1.04-7.09, p = 0.04) compared with the low VAT/SAT after adjustment for confounding factors. CONCLUSIONS: Increased VAT/SAT is independently associated with the incidence of MACE, indicating that adipose tissue composition is a useful predictor of cardiovascular outcome, after elective PCI.

Association of Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate and Proteinuria With Lipid-Rich Plaque in Coronary Artery Disease.

BACKGROUND: Estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) and proteinuria are both important determinants of the risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality. The aim of the present study was to investigate the independent and combined effects of eGFR and proteinuria on tissue characterization of the coronary plaques of culprit lesions. METHODS AND RESULTS: Conventional intravascular ultrasound and 3-D integrated backscatter intravascular ultrasound (IB-IVUS) were performed in 555 patients undergoing elective percutaneous coronary intervention. They were divided into 2 groups according to the absence or presence of proteinuria (dipstick result ≥1+). Patients with proteinuria had coronary plaque with significantly greater percentage lipid volume compared with those without (43.6±14.8% vs. 48.6±16.1%, P=0.005). Combined analysis was done using eGFR and absence or presence of proteinuria. Subjects with eGFR 45-59 ml/min/1.73 m2 and proteinuria were significantly more likely to have higher percent lipid volume compared with those with eGFR >60 ml/min/1.73 m2 without proteinuria. After multivariate adjustment for confounders, the presence of proteinuria proved to be an independent predictor for lipid-rich plaque (OR, 1.85; 95% CI: 1.12-3.06, P=0.016). CONCLUSIONS: The addition of proteinuria to eGFR level may be of value in the risk stratification of patients with coronary artery disease.

Impact of the statin escape phenomenon on long-term clinical outcomes in patients with acute myocardial infarction: Subgroup analysis of the Nagoya Acute Myocardial Infarction Study (NAMIS).

BACKGROUND: Statins are reportedly effective in the primary and secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease, mainly due to their ability to aggressively reduce low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) levels. However, patients sometimes exhibit the so-called "statin escape" phenomenon. The purpose of our study was to investigate the impact of the statin escape phenomenon on long-term clinical outcomes in patients with acute myocardial infarction (AMI). METHOD: This was a subgroup analysis of 1144 patients from the Nagoya Acute Myocardial Infarction Study (NAMIS) treated between January 2004 and December 2012. We analyzed 660 patients who initiated statin treatment after AMI. Statin escape phenomenon was defined as an increase in the LDL-C levels during the 9-month treatment period by >10% of the initial values after 4 weeks of initiating statin treatment. Patients were divided into two groups depending on whether they exhibited the statin escape phenomenon, with 474 patients in the non-escape group and 186 patients in the escape group. RESULT: Compared to the non-escape group, the escape group showed significantly lower LDL-C levels at 4 weeks after treatment initiation (81.3 ± 20.1 mg/dL vs. 101.1 ± 25.4 mg/dL, P < 0.01). By contrast, the escape group showed significantly higher LDL-C levels at 9 months after treatment initiation (105.8 ± 28.3 mg/dL vs. 90.3 ± 22.6 mg/dL, P < 0.01). Major adverse cardiac and cerebrovascular events (MACCE; a composite of all-cause death, MI, and stroke) were more frequent in the escape group than in the non-escape group (10.8% vs. 6.1%, P = 0.03). Multivariate analysis showed that statin escape phenomenon was an independent predictor of MACCE (hazard ratio: 2.02, 95% confidence interval: 1.11-3.66, P = 0.02). CONCLUSION: Statin escape phenomenon may be an independent predictor of long-term clinical outcomes in AMI patients.

Relation between paradoxical decrease in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels after statin therapy and adverse cardiovascular events in patients with acute myocardial infarction.

Statin therapy moderately increases high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C) levels. Contrary to this expectation, a paradoxical decrease in HDL-C levels after statin therapy is seen in some patients. We evaluated 724 patients who newly started treatment with statins after acute myocardial infarction (AMI). These patients were divided into 2 groups according to change in HDL-C levels between baseline and 6 to 9 months after initial AMI (ΔHDL). In total, 620 patients had increased HDL-C levels and 104 patients had decreased HDL-C levels. Both groups achieved follow-up low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels <100 mg/dl. Adverse cardiovascular events (a composite of all-cause death, myocardial infarction, and stroke) have more frequently occurred in the decreased HDL group compared with the increased HDL group (15.4% vs 7.1%, p = 0.01). Multivariate analysis showed that decreased HDL, onset to balloon time, and multivessel disease were the independent predictors of adverse cardiovascular events (hazard ratio [HR] 1.95, 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.08 to 3.52; HR 1.05, 95% CI 1.01 to 1.09; and HR 2.08, 95% CI 1.22 to 3.56, respectively). In conclusion, a paradoxical decrease in serum HDL-C levels after statin therapy might be an independent predictor of long-term adverse cardiovascular events in patients with AMI.

Prognostic impact of lipid contents on the target lesion in patients with drug eluting stent implantation.

We sought to determine the morphologic predictors of major adverse cardiac events (MACEs) after successful percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) with drug-eluting stents (DES), using integrated backscatter intravascular ultrasound (IB-IVUS). Conventional IVUS and IB-IVUS were performed in 260 consecutive patients who underwent PCI with DES. Three-dimensional analyses were performed to determine plaque volume and the volume of each plaque component (lipid, fibrous, and calcification). Patients were divided into two groups according to the median lipid volume (LV) in the target lesion. MACEs were defined as death, nonfatal myocardial infarction, and any repeat revascularization. The median follow-up interval was 1285 days. MACEs were observed in 64 patients (24.6 %). Patients having a larger LV compared with their counterparts had worse long-term clinical outcomes regarding mortality (3.8 vs. 0 %, P = 0.02) and MACEs (31.5 vs. 17.7 %, P = 0.008) by log-rank test. After adjustment for confounders, large LV (odds ratio 1.95, 95 % confidence interval 1.14-3.33, P = 0.02) was significantly and independently associated with MACEs. The assessment of coronary plaque characteristics in the target lesion may be useful to predict long-term outcome following successful coronary intervention.

Differences in tissue characterization of restenotic neointima between sirolimus-eluting stent and bare-metal stent: integrated backscatter intravascular ultrasound analysis for in-stent restenosis.

AIMS: The pathogenesis of in-stent restenosis (ISR) after drug-eluting stent (DES) implantation remains unclear. The purpose of this study is to analyse tissue characterizations of neointima in restenosis lesions after sirolimus-eluting stent (SES), comparing with those after bare metal stent (BMS) using integrated backscatter intravascular ultrasound (IB-IVUS). METHODS AND RESULTS: A total of 54 consecutive patients who had ISR lesions after SES (n = 20) or BMS (n = 34) implantation were enrolled. For tissue characterization of neointima, IB-IVUS was performed by cross-sectional (at the minimum lumen area) and volumetric (within the stented segment) analyses. In addition, angiographic patterns of restenosis were evaluated with division into focal and diffuse. The focal angiographic pattern of restenosis was predominantly observed in the SES group (SES vs. BMS; 80.0 vs. 26.5%; P = 0.0001), whereas the diffuse pattern was more common in the BMS group (SES vs. BMS; 20.0 vs. 73.5%; P = 0.0001). On both cross-sectional and volumetric IB-IVUS analyses, the neointimal tissue in restenosis lesions after SES implantation had a significantly larger percentage of lipid tissue (cross-sectional: 23.3 ± 12.7 vs. 15.7 ± 11.9%; P = 0.033; volumetric: 22.8 ± 10.4 vs. 16.3 ± 7.0%; P = 0.008) and a significantly smaller percentage of fibrous tissue compared with that after BMS implantation (cross-sectional: 73.6 ± 11.6 vs. 82.0 ± 11.2%; P = 0.011, volumetric: 73.8 ± 9.5 vs. 80.5 ± 6.7%; P = 0.004). CONCLUSION: This IB-IVUS study indicates that larger amounts of lipid tissue are present in neointima of SES when compared with BMS, suggesting that neoatherosclerosis may in part be responsible for ISR after SES implantation.

Prognostic impact of concurrence of metabolic syndrome and chronic kidney disease in patients undergoing coronary intervention: Involvement of coronary plaque composition.

BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: Metabolic syndrome (MetS) and chronic kidney disease (CKD) have both been reported as risk factors for cardiovascular events. The aim of this study was to assess the synergistic effect of MetS and CKD on atherosclerotic plaque and cardiovascular outcomes. METHODS AND SUBJECTS: A total of 545 consecutive patients who underwent percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) were divided into 4 groups based on the presence or absence of MetS and CKD. MetS was defined using the criteria of the Adult Treatment Panel III of the US National Cholesterol Education Program. CKD was defined as an estimated glomerular filtration rate of <60ml/min/1.73m(2). We analyzed the incidence of major adverse cardiac events (MACE), including cardiovascular death, nonfatal myocardial infarction, target lesion revascularization, and revascularization for new lesions. We also assessed coronary plaque characteristics of 204 patients using integrated backscatter intravascular ultrasound (IB-IVUS). RESULTS: MACE occurred more frequently in patients with both MetS and CKD (51.4%) than in the other groups, during the follow-up period (log-rank p<0.001). In the IB-IVUS analyses, patients with both MetS and CKD exhibited greater plaque burden (p=0.003) with higher lipid content (p=0.048) compared to the other groups. In Cox analysis, both MetS and CKD proved to be independent predictors of MACE even after adjustment for confounding factors (p=0.018). CONCLUSIONS: Comorbidity of MetS and CKD is an independent predictor of adverse cardiovascular outcomes in patients undergoing coronary intervention, an effect that may be attributed to coronary plaque instability.

Impact of insulin resistance on post-procedural myocardial injury and clinical outcomes in patients who underwent elective coronary interventions with drug-eluting stents.

OBJECTIVES: This study sought to evaluate the associations between homeostatic indexes of insulin resistance (HOMA-IR) and post-procedural myocardial injury and clinical outcome after a percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) with a drug-eluting stent. BACKGROUND: Insulin resistance increases the risk of cardiovascular events. However, the association between insulin resistance and clinical outcome after coronary intervention is unclear. METHODS: We evaluated 516 consecutive patients who underwent elective PCI with drug-eluting stents. Blood samples were collected from venous blood after overnight fasting, and fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels were measured. HOMA-IR was calculated according to the homeostasis model assessment. Post-procedural myocardial injury was evaluated by analysis of troponin T and creatine kinase-myocardial band isozyme levels hours after PCI. Cardiac event was defined as the composite endpoint of cardiovascular death, myocardial infarction, and any revascularization. RESULTS: With increasing tertiles of HOMA-IR, post-procedural troponin T and creatine kinase-myocardial band levels increased. In the multiple regression analysis, HOMA-IR was independently associated with troponin T elevation. During a median follow-up of 623 days, patients with the highest tertiles of HOMA-IR had the highest risk of cardiovascular events. The Cox proportional hazard models identified HOMA-IR as independently associated with worse clinical outcome after adjustment for clinical and procedural factors. CONCLUSIONS: These results indicated the impact of insulin resistance on post-procedural myocardial injury and clinical outcome after elective PCI with drug-eluting stent deployment. Evaluation of insulin resistance may provide useful information for predicting clinical outcomes after elective PCI.

Impact of chronic kidney disease on the incidence of peri-procedural myocardial injury in patients undergoing elective stent implantation.

BACKGROUND: It is well known that chronic kidney disease is a strong independent predictor of adverse outcomes after percutaneous coronary intervention in patients with ischemic heart disease. Recently, peri-procedural myocardial injury has been associated with adverse cardiac events. The aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between renal function and peri-procedural myocardial injury in patients undergoing elective stent implantation. METHODS: This study comprised 273 consecutive patients who underwent elective stent implantation. They were divided into two groups: estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) <60 mL/min/1.73m(2) and eGFR ≥60 mL/min/1.73m(2). Peri-procedural TnT levels higher than three times the normal limit were defined as peri-procedural myocardial injury. RESULTS: Patients with eGFR <60 mL/min/1.73m(2) showed a higher incidence of peri-procedural myocardial injury compared to patients with eGFR ≥60 mL/min/1.73m(2) (4.3 versus 20.9%, P < 0.0001). Even after a multivariate adjustment, the eGFR level predicted peri-procedural myocardial injury [odds ratio 0.92, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.89-0.95, P < 0.0001]. Total stent length was also an independent predictor of peri-procedural myocardial injury (odds ratio 1.09, 95% CI: 1.02-1.16, P = 0.009). Using a receiver-operating curve analysis, eGFR level of 62.1 mL/min/1.73m(2) (sensitivity 93.3%, specificity 57.2%) was the best value (area under the curve = 0.803) to maximize the power of eGFR levels in predicting peri-procedural myocardial injury. CONCLUSIONS: Patients with eGFR <60 mL/min/1.73m(2) were strongly associated with peri-procedural myocardial injury after elective stent implantation. Therefore, eGFR may be a simple and convenient predictor of peri-procedural myocardial injury.

Cardiac 64-multislice computed tomography reveals increased epicardial fat volume in patients with acute coronary syndrome.

Inflammatory cytokines released from epicardial fat around coronary arteries may modulate the coronary arteries and promote coronary atherosclerosis. We assessed the hypothesis that epicardial fat volume (EFV) is increased in patients with acute coronary syndrome (ACS). EFV was measured in 80 Japanese patients hospitalized for ACS using 64-multislice computed tomography. The ACS group included 51 patients with ST-segment elevated myocardial infarction and 29 patients with non-ST-segment elevated myocardial infarction. All patients underwent emergency coronary angioplasty and 64-multislice computed tomographic scanning during hospitalization. The control group included 90 consecutive outpatients with suspected ACS whose coronary computed tomographic results were normal. EFV was larger in patients with ACS than in the control group (117 ± 47 vs 95 ± 33 ml, p <0.001). Multivariate regression analysis showed that EFV was associated with age, body mass index, and visceral fat area in the control group. However, these correlations did not appear in the ACS group. Multivariate logistic regression analysis showed that EFV >100 ml was independently associated with ACS (odds ratio 2.84, 95% confidence interval 1.17 to 6.87, p = 0.021). Receiver operator characteristic analysis determined a cut-off value of 100.3 ml with a sensitivity of 75% and a specificity of 60% for ACS (area under the curve 0.692, 95% confidence interval 0.596 to 0.777, p <0.001). Compared to subcutaneous adipose tissue, epicardial adipose tissue showed inflammatory cell infiltrates on a micrograph. In conclusion, the present study demonstrated significantly increased EFV in patients with ACS. A large amount of epicardial fat may be a risk factor for ACS.