Heat production during exercise in pregnancy: discerning the contribution of total body weight.

Studies have reported enhanced thermoregulatory function as pregnancy progresses; however, it is unclear if differences in thermoregulation are attributed to weight gain or other physiological changes. This study aimed to determine if total body weight will influence thermoregulation (heat production (Hprod)), heart rate, and perceptual measurements in response to weight-bearing exercise during early to late pregnancy. A cross-sectional design of healthy pregnant women at different pregnancy time points (early, T1; middle, T2; late, T3) performed a 7-stage weight-bearing incremental exercise protocol. Measurements of Hprod, HR, and RPE were examined. Two experimental groups were studied: (1) weight matched and (2) non-weight matched, in T1, T2, and T3. During exercise, equivalent Hprod at T1 (326 ± 88 kJ), T2 (330 ± 43 kJ), and T3 (352 ± 52 kJ) (p = 0.504); HR (p = 0.830); and RPE (p = 0.195) were observed in the WM group at each time point. In the NWM group, Hprod (from stages 1-6 of the exercise) increased across pregnancy time points, T1 (291 ± 76 kJ) to T2 (347 ± 41 kJ) and T3 (385 ± 47 kJ) (p < 0.001). HR increased from T1 to T3 in the warm-up to stage 6 (p = 0.009). RPE did not change as pregnancy time point progressed (p = 0.309). Total body weight, irrespective of pregnancy time point, modulates Hprod and HR during exercise. Therefore, accounting for total body weight is crucial when comparing thermoregulatory function during exercise across pregnancy.

Does a history of childbirth impact injury prevalence and mental health in female military members?

The effect of parity status on the prevalence and impact of musculoskeletal injury (MSKi) among female Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) members is unknown. This study aims to identify whether a history of childbirth and pregnancy-related complications are associated with MSKi occurrence among female members of the CAF. From September 2020 to February 2021, data were collected via an online questionnaire that assessed MSKi, reproductive health, and barriers to recruitment and retention in the CAF. Actively serving, female members were included in this analysis stratified by parous (n = 313) or nulliparous (n = 435) status. Descriptive analysis and binary logistic regressions were used to identify prevalence and adjusted odds ratios (aOR) of repetitive strain injuries (RSI), acute injuries, and body regions affected. Covariates included in aOR: age, body mass index, and rank. A p value of <0.05 was considered significant and 95% confidence intervals (CI) were reported. Female members with a history of childbirth were more likely to report an RSI (80.9% vs. 69.9%, OR = 1.57, CI: 1.03 to 2.40), and when stratified by body region, were more likely to have an RSI of the wrist (30.0% vs. 20.5%, aOR = 1.62, CI: 1.09 to 2.40), and foot (39.3% vs. 24.1%, aOR = 1.79, CI: 1.24 to 2.59). When compared to the nulliparous group, parity did not influence prevalence of acute injuries. MSKi and mental health perceptions were different for females who experienced postpartum depression, miscarriage, or preterm birth. Childbirth and pregnancy-related complications impact prevalence of some RSI among female CAF members. Thus, specific health and fitness support may be needed for parous female CAF members.

Characteristics Associated with Pelvic Floor Disorders among Female Canadian Armed Forces Members.

OBJECTIVES: Urinary incontinence (UI) and pelvic organ prolapse (POP) are prevalent pelvic floor disorders (PFDs) among the female population. In the military environment, being a non-commissioned member (NCM), and physically demanding occupations are factors associated with higher PFD risk. This study seeks to characterize the profile of female Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) members reporting symptoms of UI and/or POP. METHODS: Present CAF members (18-65 years) responded to an online survey. Only current members were included in the analysis. Symptoms of UI and POP were collected. Multivariate logistic regressions analyzed the relationships between PFD symptoms and associated characteristics. RESULTS: 765 active members responded to female-specific questions. The prevalence of self-reported POP and UI symptoms were 14.5% and 57.0%, respectively, with 10.6% of respondents reporting both. Advanced age (adjusted odds ratio [aOR]: 1.062, CI 1.038-1.087), a body mass index (BMI) categorized as obese (aOR: 1.909, [1.183-3.081]), parity ≥1 (e.g., aOR for 1: 2.420, [1.352-4.334]) and NCMs (aOR: 1.662, [1.144-2.414]) were factors associated with urine leakage. Parity of ≥2 (aOR: 2.351, [1.370-4.037]) compared to nulliparous and having a perception of a physically demanding job (aOR: 1.933, [1.186-3.148]) were associated with experiencing POP symptoms. Parity of ≥2 increased the odds of reporting both PFD symptoms (aOR: 5.709, [2.650-12.297]). CONCLUSION: Parity was associated with greater odds of experiencing symptoms of UI and POP. Higher age, higher BMI, and being an NCM were associated with more symptoms of UI, and the perception of having a physically demanding role increased the likelihood of reporting POP symptoms.

Sex disparities in self-reported musculoskeletal injuries in the Canadian Armed Forces.

Recent comprehensive systematic reviews indicate that females are at greater risk of musculoskeletal injuries (MSKi) than males in military populations. Considering the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) goal of increasing female representation in the next few years, exploring these trends is essential. We aimed to determine the association between biological sex and MSKi in the CAF. An online survey was conducted with active-duty and former CAF members aged 18-65 years. Sex disparities in MSKi (acute or repetitive strain [RSI]) were analyzed using bivariate associations and binary logistic regressions with significance level at p < 0.05. Analyses were stratified by military environment (i.e., Army, Navy, and Air Force). From the 1947 respondents whose biological sex was reported, 855 were females and 1092 were males. Rates of RSI sustained by females and males while serving were 76.2% and 70.5% (p = 0.011), respectively, whereas 61.4% of females reported acute injuries compared to 63.7% of males (p = 0.346). Females were more likely to report overall RSI (adjusted odds ratio [aOR]: 1.397; 95% confidence intervals [CI]: 1.068-1.829), RSI having a greater impact on daily activities (aOR [95%CI]: 2.979 [2.093-4.239]) and greater impact on career progress/length (aOR [95%CI]: 1.448 [1.066-1.968]). Acute injuries, also more prevalent in females, were reported to have a greater impact on daily activities (aOR [95%CI]: 1.688 [1.198-2.379]). This study highlights sex disparities in MSKi prevalence and outcomes. Females within the CAF sample presented greater likelihood of reporting RSI, perceived impact of RSI on daily activities and career progress/length, and perceived impact of acute injuries on daily activities.

SmartMoms Canada: An evaluation of a mobile app intervention to support a healthy pregnancy.

BACKGROUND: There is a lack of cost-effective and readily available access to evidence-based information to manage healthy behaviours for pregnant individuals. Mobile health (mHealth) tools offer a cost-effective, interactive, personalized option that can be delivered anywhere at a time most convenient for the user. This study protocol was primarily developed to, i) assess the feasibility of the SmartMoms Canada intervention in supporting participants to achieve gestational weight gain (GWG) guidelines. The secondary objectives are to, ii) assess user experience with the app, measured by adherence to the program via app software metrics and frequency of use, iii) determine the impact of SmartMoms Canada app usage on the adoption of healthful behaviours related to nutrition, physical activity and sleep habits, improvements in health-related quality of life, pregnancy-related complications, and symptoms of depression, and iv) investigate the potential extended effects of the app on postpartum health-related outcomes. METHODS: This is a feasibility trial. Pregnant individuals aged 18-40 years with pre-gravid body mass index between 18.5 and 39.9 kg/m2, carrying a singleton fetus, having Wi-Fi access, and at ≤20 weeks' gestation will be recruited. Eligible people will be followed from recruitment until 12 months postpartum. DISCUSSION: SmartMoms Canada is the first bilingual Canadian-centric app designed for pregnant people. This mHealth intervention, with its ability to supply frequent interactions, provides pregnancy- related health knowledge to users, potentially leading to an improvement in pregnancy-related outcomes and behaviours, and, ultimately a reduction in the present economic burden related to in-person interventions. TRIAL REGISTRATION: ISRCTN, ISRCTN16254958. Registered 20 December 2019, http://www.isrctn.com/ ISRCTN16254958.

Population characteristics associated with adherence to prenatal group-based exercise programs.

Community-based supervised group exercise may be an effective option to increase activity levels throughout pregnancy. Previous studies that have explored predictors of low adherence to exercise during pregnancy have not examined group-based settings. We analysed an international cohort of 347 pregnant women who participated in group-based prenatal exercise interventions (from <20 weeks to 34-36 weeks pregnant). Probable adherence predictors informed by previous literature that were assessed included: pre-pregnancy physical activity level and body mass index (BMI) classification, age, number of previous pregnancies, and education level. Adherence was measured by attendance. Adjusted odds ratios (aOR) and 95% confidence intervals (CI) were calculated to explore the relationship between the selected predictors and high adherence (≥70%). Post-secondary education level versus only secondary (aOR 5.28; CI 1.67; 16.72) or primary level (aOR 13.82; CI 4.30; 44.45) presented greater likelihood to have high adherence to the exercise intervention than low adherence. Future research and public health initiatives should consider implementing strategies to overcome education-related barriers to improve accessibility to prenatal exercise.

Physical Activity and Weight Gain Throughout Pregnancy Are Associated With Umbilical Cord Markers.

OBJECTIVE: Maternal serum and umbilical cord (UC) lipid and glucose levels are influenced by a variety of maternal factors over the course of pregnancy, including maternal physical activity (PA) levels and gestational weight gain (GWG). However, previous research has not assessed the interaction of these 2 variables. This study investigated mid-gestation (24-28 weeks) and late gestation (34-38 weeks) maternal and UC serum lipid and glucose profiles in relation to maternal PA status and GWG, independently and in combination. METHODS: This study had a longitudinal design. Pregnant participants (n = 40) were categorized as active or inactive based on the 2019 Canadian Guideline for Physical Activity throughout Pregnancy, and GWG was categorized as insufficient, appropriate, or excessive based on 2009 Institute of Medicine recommendations. Fasting maternal serum was taken in mid- and late gestation, and venous UC serum was taken at birth. RESULTS: No relationship was found between maternal serum values and PA and/or GWG. Infants born to individuals who were physically active across pregnancy, or who were active in mid-pregnancy and had their activity status drop in late gestation, had lower UC total cholesterol levels than those who were inactive throughout pregnancy (P < 0.0001). Participants who had gained weight appropriately at mid-gestation had significantly lower UC glucose levels than those who gained weight insufficiently (P = 0.040) or excessively (P = 0.021). CONCLUSION: In our study, PA, and GWG (independently and in combination) may not have affected maternal serum; however, meeting PA recommendations at mid-gestation may provide prophylactic effects on UC serum, potentially providing long-term health benefits to the newborn.

The short-term effect of a mHealth intervention on gestational weight gain and health behaviors: The SmartMoms Canada pilot study.

Gestational weight gain (GWG) has been shown to impact several maternal-infant outcomes. Since healthcare provider guidance on weight gain and healthy behaviors alone has failed to help women to meet guidelines during pregnancy, a practical adjunctive approach is to deliver evidence-based behavior change programs through mobile interventions. The present study aimed to assess the short-term effect of the SmartMoms Canada app to promote adequate GWG and healthy behaviors. Twenty-nine pregnant women were recruited in this app-based intervention trial to test whether a higher app usage (≥ 3.8 min·week-1) between 12-20 gestational weeks and 24-28 gestational weeks improved GWG, diet, physical activity, and sleep, compared to women with a lower app usage (< 3.8 min·week-1). Two-way mixed ANOVA for repeated measures was used to estimate the effect of the app usage and time, as well as their interaction on GWG and healthy behaviors. The likelihood ratio was used to examine the association between app usage categorization and GWG classification. Cramer's V statistic was used to estimate the effect size for interpretation of the association. Pregnant women using the SmartMoms Canada app more frequently had a higher moderate-to-vigorous physical activity (MVPA) daily average when compared with women with a lower usage (mean difference: 17.84 min/day, 95% CI: 2.44; 33.25). A moderate effect size (28.6% vs. 15.4%; Cramer's V = 0.212) was found for the association between app categorization and rate of GWG, representing a greater adherence to the GWG guidelines in women in the higher app usage group vs. the lower app usage group. Considering other physical activity, diet, and sleep variables, no app categorization effect was observed. A short-term higher usage of SmartMoms Canada app has a positive effect on objectively-measured MVPA.

Exploring weight bias internalization in pregnancy.

BACKGROUND: Recent research has shown that pregnant individuals experience weight stigma throughout gestation, including negative comments and judgement associated with gestational weight gain (GWG). Weight bias internalization (WBI) is often a result of exposure to weight stigma and is detrimental to biopsychological health outcomes. The purpose of this study was to explore WBI in pregnancy and compare scores based on maternal weight-related factors including pre-pregnancy body mass index (BMI), obesity diagnosis and excessive GWG. METHODS: Pregnant individuals in Canada and USA completed a modified version of the Adult Weight Bias Internalization Scale. Self-reported pre-pregnancy height and weight were collected to calculate and classify pre-pregnancy BMI. Current weight was also reported to calculate GWG, which was then classified as excessive or not based on Institute of Medicine (2009) guidelines. Participants indicated if they were diagnosed with obesity by a healthcare provider. Inferential analyses were performed comparing WBI scores according to pre-pregnancy BMI, excessive GWG, and obesity diagnosis. Significance was accepted as p < 0.05 and effect sizes accompanied all analyses. RESULT: 336 pregnant individuals completed the survey, with an average WBI score of 3.9 ± 1.2. WBI was higher among those who had a pre-pregnancy BMI of obese than normal weight (p = 0.04, η2 = 0.03), diagnosed with obesity than not diagnosed (p < 0.001, Cohen's d = 1.3), and gained excessively versus not (p < 0.001, Cohen's d = 1.2). CONCLUSIONS: Pregnant individuals who have a higher BMI, obesity and gain excessively may experience WBI. Given that weight stigma frequently occurs in pregnancy, effective person-oriented strategies are needed to mitigate stigma and prevent and care for WBI.

Evaluation of Afterschool Activity Programs' (ASAP) Effect on Children's Physical Activity, Physical Health, and Fundamental Movement Skills.

BACKGROUND: Physical literacy-focused afterschool activity programs (ASAPs) can be an effective strategy to improve children's health-related parameters. We sought to compare physical activity, body composition, aerobic capacity, and fundamental movement skills between physical literacy-focused ASAP and a standard recreational ASAP. METHOD: A pre-post (6 months) comparison study was conducted in 5- to 12-year-old children in a physical literacy-focused ASAP (physical literacy group, n = 14) and children attending a standard recreational ASAP (comparison group, n = 15). Physical activity guideline adherence was assessed using accelerometry, body composition was analyzed using bioelectrical impedance, aerobic capacity was estimated using the Progressive Aerobic Cardiovascular Endurance Run test, and fundamental movement skills were evaluated using the Test of Gross Motor Development-2. RESULTS: There were no significant differences between groups at baseline. After 6 months, the physical literacy group exhibited a significant improvement in their total raw score for the Test of Gross Motor Development-2 (p = .016), which was likely due to improvements in object control skills (p = .024). The comparison group significantly increased body mass index (p = .001) and body fat (p = .009) over time. No significant between-group differences were found; however, there was a trend for improved aerobic capacity in the physical literacy group (d = 0.58). CONCLUSIONS: Engagement in the physical literacy-focused ASAP contributed to an attenuated increase in adiposity and an improvement in object control skills.

Weight stigma and prenatal physical activity: Exploring the perspectives of pregnant women living with obesity.

OBJECTIVE: To identify sources of weight stigma in physical activity (PA)-related milieus reported by pregnant women living with obesity. We also report person-informed strategies to improve the delivery of PA promotions and prescriptions to prevent weight stigma and improve maternal PA. DESIGN: This is a qualitative descriptive study and semi-structured interviews were conducted. SETTING AND PARTICIPANTS: Purposive sampling including pregnant women living with obesity, with a body mass index ≥35.0 kg/m2, ≥18 years of age, and receiving specialized prenatal care were recruited from an obstetrics clinic in Kingston, Canada. MEASUREMENT AND FINDINGS: Data were assessed by a content analysis, whereby coded themes represented sources of weight stigma related to prenatal PA. Demographic characteristics (pre-pregnancy body mass index, age, gestational age) were summarized and presented as means and standard deviations. In-depth interview data were collected from eight women. Average pre-pregnancy BMI, age, and gestational age were 44.6±4.8 kg/m2, 32.0±4.1 years, 31.1±5.8 weeks, respectively. Two sources of weight stigma related to prenatal PA were identified: 1. Lack of visual representation - online images and images found in exercise promotional material do not include women who have obesity; 2. Lack of individualized recommendations - currently available prenatal PA guidelines and/or recommendations from healthcare providers do not always consider individual physical barriers or health goals women may have. KEY CONCLUSION AND IMPLICATIONS FOR PRACTICE: By increasing body positive representation of pregnant women exercising and offering person-centered prenatal PA recommendations, maternal PA may improve including women living with obesity. Findings from this work can inform future PA interventions, health promotion programming, and prescriptions from prenatal care providers to implement person-oriented strategies to prevent weight stigma and improve the delivery of care for pregnant women living with obesity.

Adaptation of Anaerobic Field-Based Tests for Wheelchair Basketball Athletes.

Purpose: The aim of this study was to propose field-based tests to estimate the anaerobic power of wheelchair basketball athletes. Methods: Eleven lower class wheelchair basketball players performed the Wingate test (WT) and two field-based tests (repeated sprints) of 15 (S-15) and 20 (S-20) meters. The WT provides data in Watts (W). The S-15 and S-20 are recorded in seconds and converted to W using the Running-based Anaerobic Sprint Test (RAST) equation. The participants also completed other field-based tests, such as right and left handgrip strength (HGS) tests and the medicine ball chest pass test. In addition, body mass and height were measured, and the body composition was estimated. The field-based tests and anthropometric measures were used to estimate WT peak power (PP) and mean power (MP) using multiple linear regressions. Results: The field-based tests underestimated the anaerobic power measured with the WT (in W). However, a linear regression model based on S-15 PP, right HGS, height, and body mass explained 76% (P= .040) of the WT PP variance. Another model based on S-15 MP and right HGS explained 72% (P= .006) of the WT MP variance. Both models had excellent reliability (ICC > 0.90). Conclusion: WT PP can be estimated using S-15 PP (W), right HGS, height, and body mass. The WT MP is predicted using S-15 MP (W) and right HGS. Therefore, a combination of field-based tests and anthropometric measures seem to be appropriate to determine anaerobic power of lower class wheelchair basketball athletes.

Women's Suggestions for How To Reduce Weight Stigma in Prenatal Clinical Settings.

OBJECTIVE: To describe the experiences of weight stigma in prenatal clinical settings among high-risk pregnant women living with obesity and to obtain women's perspectives regarding changes to prenatal health care practices that may reduce weight stigma. DESIGN: Qualitative descriptive study. SETTING/LOCAL PROBLEM: High-risk obstetrics clinic. Weight stigma experienced in prenatal clinical settings can negatively influence maternal health and well-being as well as communication with health care providers. PARTICIPANTS: Nine pregnant women with obesity who were receiving specialized prenatal care in their third trimester. INTERVENTION/MEASUREMENTS: Women participated in semistructured telephone interviews. Data were inductively analyzed using a content analysis, whereby coded data were organized to represent experiences of or suggestions provided by pregnant women to reduce weight stigma in prenatal clinical settings. RESULTS: Experiences of weight stigma included poor communication, generalizations made about health and lifestyle behaviors, and focusing only on excess body weight during clinical appointments as the cause of negative health outcomes. To reduce weight stigma, women suggested that health care providers practice sensitive communication, offer individualized care for weight management, and reduce the focus on body weight by also independently addressing comorbidities or other health indicators. CONCLUSION: Women interviewed for this study provided suggestions that can be implemented in prenatal clinical settings to reduce weight stigma and improve the delivery of equitable health care.

Physical activity may be an adjuvant treatment option for substance use disorders during pregnancy: A scoping review.

BACKGROUND: Substance abuse in pregnancy increases the chance of physical and neurobehavioral disabilities as well as many other undesirable fetal outcomes. In nonpregnant populations, physical exercise has shown to be an effective adjunctive therapy option for substance use disorders. Given the known positive maternal and fetal physiological and mental health benefits associated with prenatal exercise, perhaps exercise during pregnancy may also be a viable adjuvant therapy option for women with substance use disorders. The purpose of this scoping review was to summarize the available literature that has assessed the relationship between prenatal exercise and substance use disorders. METHODS: A search strategy was developed combining the terms pregnancy, exercise/physical activity, and substance use. A systematic search was completed in the following databases: Medline/PubMed, SPORTDiscus, and ProQuest. Substances eligible for inclusion included illicit drugs, alcohol, and cannabis. Retrieved data were categorized as animal or human model studies, and were summarized narratively. RESULTS: Eight studies were included in this review (five human studies, three animal model studies). Studies in humans suggest that pregnant women with substance use disorders are interested in engaging in physical activity interventions; however, known acute metabolic and physiological responses to prenatal exercise may be impaired in this population. Rodent models show preliminary evidence for improved mental health outcomes following prenatal exercise for substance use disorders. CONCLUSION: The findings from this review may inform the development of future clinical trials to test the effect of structured exercise programs as an adjunctive treatment option for pregnant women with substance use disorders.

Physical activity and gestational weight gain predict physiological and perceptual responses to exercise during pregnancy.

BACKGROUND: Exercise is known to improve the health of the pregnant woman and her child. Studies that have evaluated physiological parameters during prenatal exercise have conflicting results. Better understanding of these physiological responses can modify exercise prescriptions, safety, and monitoring strategies. We examined the association between age, prepregnancy body mass index (BMI), gestational weight gain (GWG), and physical activity (PA) levels, factors that may influence a change in physiological (HR, VO2 responses) and perceptual (RPE) responses to acute exercise throughout pregnancy. METHODS: Twenty-two healthy pregnant women (31.4 ± 3.7 years) performed a Submaximal incremental Walking Exercise Test (SWET). Early- (13-18 weeks), mid- (24-28 weeks), and late-pregnancy (34-37 weeks) were compared. VO2 (L/min; ml/kg/min), HR (bpm), and RPE were collected at the end of each test stage. PA was determined by accelerometry. We associated PA levels, GWG, prepregnancy BMI, and age with HR, RPE, and VO2 responses. RESULTS: HR, RPE, and absolute VO2 were higher in late-pregnancy compared to earlier time points (p < .05; η2 = 0.299-0.525). Regression models were built for HR (all time points), RPE (early- and late-pregnancy), and VO2 (L/min; late-pregnancy). HR (late-pregnancy) was predicted by time in vigorous PA, GWG, age, and prepregnancy BMI (r2 = 0.645; SEE = 5.84). RPE (late-pregnancy) was predicted by sedentary time, GWG, prepregnancy BMI, and age (r2 = 0.662; SEE = 1.21). CONCLUSION: Physiological/perceptual responses were higher in late-pregnancy compared to other time points and associated with combined PA, GWG, prepregnancy BMI, and age. These findings can be used to modify exercise prescriptions and designs for future PA interventions in pregnant women.

The effects of intervening with physical activity in the early years (ages 3-5) on health-related quality of life: a secondary analysis of the Activity Begins in Childhood (ABC) trial.

PURPOSE: Limited research has measured the effect of physical activity (PA) interventions on health-related quality of life (HRQoL) among pre-school-aged children. This study evaluates the effect of the Activity Begins in Childhood (ABC) cluster-randomized controlled trial designed to increase PA in the ages 3-5 years on HRQoL. METHODS: This was a cluster-randomized controlled trial where the intervention group included PA education delivered to daycare providers only, or daycare providers and parents. In the current study, the two PA intervention groups were combined. The comparator group received standard daycare curriculum (COM). A total of 215 children were included (PA n = 161, COM n = 54). Parents completed the proxy Pediatric Quality of Life Inventory Generic Core Scale (PedsQL™ 4.0) to measure HRQoL at baseline and the end of the 6-month trial. HRQoL scores were analyzed as physical, psychosocial, and total domains. Baseline and 6-months measurements were compared for PA and COM groups, and mean changes in scores (95% confidence intervals) were measured using absolute values. RESULTS: No between-group differences were observed for the physical (p = 0.17), psychosocial (p = 0.95) or total scores (p = 0.20). Paired comparisons showed that only the PA group improved psychosocial- (PA mean difference = 2.18 (0.20, 4.15), p = 0.03; COM mean difference = 2.05 (- 1.03, 5.13), p = 0.19) and total-HRQoL scores (PA mean difference = 2.83 (1.83, 3.84), p < 0.001; COM mean difference = 0.19 (- 1.78, 2.16), p = 0.84) after 6 months. CONCLUSION: Although the within-PA group analysis showed an improvement in psychosocial and total HRQoL scores from baseline, no between-group differences were observed in the HRQoL over time among children aged 3-5 years.